the deed was created in the late 1960s
the person who was on it was given papers by their grandparents who wanted this child to have ownership , then one of the relatives stole the documents , we have been looking to see if copies exist anywhere but have failed not sure if such documents exist in some unknown NYC archives or did the same person who stole the documents also stole/removed the documents from all government offices/records many years ago its very possible because the child remembers ( now grown up remembers) that relative talking to others about them stealing documents and altering documents in government offices to make themselves sole owner
is this a lost cause ? does NYC keep records like this in some special location/archives in case of records being tampered/stolenI have searched in acris online and went in person at the local office the one on microfilm shows the tampered deed no one in that office knows of any backup copies no other documents on file the changes on it should've had more documents but none are on file I am guessing that NYC does not keep backups of documents when they are created since this was done long time ago back in the 1960s when it was possible to bribe city employees to gain access or make illegal alterations . what I need to find out what NYC agency has a copy hopefully an original on paper not film where is that paper copy ? I am aware that back in the 1960s and mid 1970s this deed was on paper and available for the public to see in a book form at some later date it was filmed , so what happened to that paper copy ? is it stored somewhere and forgotten ? it would be very valuable to locate this paper copy since it can be examined by a forensics expert
Search the NYC land Records under Acris. Not sure if your specific document is scanned or available, but you can search here:
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NYC Deed are available online through the NYC ACRIS website. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/property/acris.shtml However, it is possible that older deeds may be available only on microfiche or microfilm, and only available at the City Register's office in Manhattan (66 John Street, 2nd Floor, New York, NY 10038.) I would start on ACRIS as most deeds are accessible there.
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Dear New York Swindled Property Owner:
The purpose of the archive of microfilmed deeds is preservation of a permanent record of a filed deed, so that tapering of an original document after the event of filing cannot occur. If you observed the deed on film, then you observed a true copy of the filed original deed. Filed documents are not easily accessible in order to prevent loss and destruction.
If you need a forensic examination of the original document, you may need to first file a FOIL request with the Registrar and then wait for a denial of the request to have an expert examine the original paper filed deed to determine if tampering occurred after execution of the deed and before the instrument was filed and locked away.
The control process for recording deeds in time and date stamped order of filing and entry into books is designed to prevent the very fraud you believe occurred since an entry made in these records cannot be deleted or removed or erased. Review the statute at:
You may need to make a personal physical exam for the records of the original filing. In any case, the number for the recorded deed should match the page and reel number (and serial number) for the deed you copied from the microfilm.
Read more about obtaining a certified copy of an original filed deed at:
The answer provided to you is in the nature of general information. The general proposition being that you should try to avoid a bad outcome if you can.
Smollens is right. However, if the property is still owned by the alleged thief, you can sue, and see if the evidence to help you case appears. I am unclear how you think the recorded deed is tampered. If it was literally tampered, and you have more evidence than your memory, you could have a case. Evidence of an interest in property must generally be in writing.
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