Is a 401k Distribution and/or a loan from a relative considered income for the means test calculation?

Asked about 1 year ago - Chicago, IL

Sadly, I'm seriously contemplating a CH7 Bankruptcy. In researching my options, I've looked at the means test & have a concern relative to the "annualization". With just my average wage income (which is the only regular income I recieve) I indeed qualify. However, given the scope of the "6 month window" they ask about - during that time I had a less than $1K (401k) Distribution/Withdrawal I had to take out & relative gave me a loan of about $3K. As such, do either of these count as income for the means test calculation? Including them creates huge non-existant income which would cause failure of the test/abuse. It seems to me from some brief research here on Avvo that these should be excluded but those Q's didn't reference this specific situation. Any thoughts? Insight most appreciated!

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  1. Barry Cahn Boykin

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    Answered . I agree with counsel's answer. The scrutiny will be on the transaction with the relative-was it an arm's length transaction? -and the timing of the Chapter 7 filing.

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  2. Judy A. Goldstein

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    Answered . My understanding is that a 401(k) distribution is not considered income for purposes of Chapter 7 bankruptcy. The $3000 from your relative could be considered income if it is a gift. However, if it is deemed a loan, then it is not considered income but you must list the relative as a creditor. If you are considering bankruptcy, it would be a good idea to speak with a bankruptcy attorney and make all preparations necessary for the filing.

  3. Susanne Ruiz Rodriguez

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    Answered . In most jurisdictions, 401K distributions are not counted as income because they are simply withdrawals from an existing asset. The loan versus gift issue needs to be sorted. If it's a gift, then probably. If a loan, probably not. If it is really a loan, then you must list the relative as a creditor. Please consult an experienced bankruptcy attorney in your area for further information.

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  4. Maxim Christopher Zawojski

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    Answered . Loans are not income. Whether or not what you received was a loan might be debatable, but if everything is properly scheduled I doubt that it would draw much scrutiny.

    Even if it was considered to be income, I would be surprised if such a small amount of money would put you out of reach of a Chapter 7. There is nothing wrong with doing your own research beforehand, but at this point I think it would be best if you scheduled a free consultation with a local bankruptcy attorney.

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