Do you recommend re-opening a bankruptcy to re-affirm a mortgage and save home? What repercussions does this have??

Asked over 1 year ago - Boston, MA

I am thinking about letting an attorney re-open a bankruptcy that was discharged in 2008 so I can reaffirm my loan and save my house from foreclosure. I have been trying to modify my existing mortgage for 2 plus years but just found out the bank has no intentions of ever permanently modifying us because the loan doesn't "exist" since its been included with the bankruptcy. I am wonder what the repercussions would be by doing this? We would like to keep the home but I want to make sure we are making the right decision financially as well. Trying to do the right thing.

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Correction: The attorney wants to file a new chapter 13 bankruptcy (I believe) and do a reaffirmation agreement.

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  1. Scott Benjamin Riddle

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    Answered . Pursuant to the Bankruptcy Rules, reaffirmation agreements must be filed within 60 days after the date first set for the first meeting of creditors.

  2. Michael J. Ireland

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    Answered . Attorney Riddle's response basically means re-opening your case will NOT allow you to re-affirm the debt.

    Additionally, I have dealt with a number of persons post-bankruptcy who have obtained loan modifications. Perhaps there is "something special" about Massachussetts, but I don't think so.

    Loan modifications are not just "out there for the taking." Very, very few people ever get loan mods. I don't know the ratio exactly (and I don't think Obama wants anyone to know), but the ratio is probably less than 10% of those who apply ever get a permanent modification. Loan mods are political pie in the sky designed for several reasons, but not really to help homeowners.

    The bottom line is this: The bank very well could modify a loan for which personal liability has been discharged, IF IT WANTS TO. Even if you could, I don't think re-affirming the debt would change their answer.

    No one can be an expert in everything. Everyone needs the advice and help of experts in other fields at different times. The consequence of Do-It-Yourself surgery should be obvious. The consequence of Do-It-Yourself Law may not be as obvious, but very well could be as disastrous as self surgery. You need expert advice that is beyond the scope of what can be offered in this forum. You need to find a competent, local expert bankruptcy attorney to explain to you what your rights and responsibilities and options are now. Maybe a Chapter 13 would help get you back on track?

    Good luck.

    If you need further clarity, please email me at MICHAEL@MIRELAND.US Answers to questions are for general... more
  3. Alex R. Hess

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    Answered . This is WRONG and will not help you. Also, you cannot Reaffirm a debt after you receive your discharge. Don't let them reopen your case.

  4. Richard Carey Hyman

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    Answered . As has been stated by others, it is likely too late to enter into a reaffirmation agreement (without even getting into whether that is a wise course of action and whether or not that will lead to the loan modification you are seeking). Another option that has not been discussed is the possibility of filing a Chapter 13 bankruptcy to stop the foreclosure action. You should consult with an experienced bankruptcy attorney to discuss that possibility.

  5. Charles Ross Smith III

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    Answered . While it may be possible to reopen your old bankruptcy for the purpose of reaffirming on your home, it is almost certainly unwise. The bank did not deal truthfully with you before. The bank will not suddenly change its stripes now.

    Instead, find yourself an experienced Chapter 13 Bankruptcy attorney. Look for an attorney that advertises for Chapter 13 cases. A chapter 13 could be just the thing to put your house right. Good luck.

    This answer is not intended to create an attorney-client relationship and may not be relied upon as legal advice.... more
  6. Kenneth J Gogel

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    Answered . You have already learned from several attorney answers that you may not reaffirm the mortgage note that has been discharged in your Chapter 7 bankruptcy case because the time limit has passed. You can certainly file a Chapter 13 case to respond to a pending foreclosure but that filing will only allow you to address arrears without changing the terms of your mortgage. I have recently received client complaints that lenders will not modify mortgages in cases in which the note was not subject to a reaffirmation agreement. In my opinion, this may be an unfair and deceptive act or practice in violation of MA consumer protection laws. You should talk to a litigator about this matter. While I think it is a novel issue, it might be worth a discussion while you consider your options.

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  7. Thomas M. Hensel Jr.

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    Answered . Short answer - NO. I suspect most judges would refuse to allow it anyhow, since you would have had to reaffirm the debt before it was discharged.

  8. Carla Miller Handy

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    Answered . Mr. Ravosa has suggested an interesting line of inquiry and it cannot hurt to explore this option. In my opinion, even if you reopened the Chapter 7 it is unlikely you would be able to reaffirm a debt that is not contractually current. Chapter 13 would be the only vehicle to stop a foreclosure and may, then, give you some breathing space to negotiate with the mortgage company.

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