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Again, where is it in the law or court rules that it clearly states no jury in a parental rights termination hearing.

Spanaway, WA |

I have asked this a dozen times and I keep getting the run around. This pertains to Washington State Attorneys only. It seems not one Washington State Attorney can clearly, plane and simple, show case law, RCW, Court Rule or other to support their claim that we dont have a right to a jury trial in a parental rights termination hearing. Can someone out here in AVVO get away from your professional opinions and put it up here in plane black and white, so it is a professional fact. Please? That way we the people know the facts. And who comes out here with a great answer gets a 10 on my review of them for accuracy and intelligence in their AVVO Lawyer review bracket. I dont want to go to some theory page or supportive statement. I want the law plane clear and simple.

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Courts have wide discretion to determine how they run themselves. Johnson v. Perry, 20 Wn. App. 696, 582 P.2d 886 (1978). The case Scavenius v. Manchester Port Dist., 2 Wn. App. 126, 129-30, 467 P.2d 372 (1970), interprets CR 38 and 39 to vest discretion in the trial court in deciding whether a jury trial should be granted.
Under Const. art. 1, 21, the right of trial by jury shall remain inviolate. That right includes the right to jury trial in criminal cases (STATE v. PRICE, 59 Wn.2d 788, 370 P.2d 979 (1962); 47 Am. Jur. 2d JURY 51 (1969)). In civil cases, a jury is available if a statute so provides or if the matter is one which was triable before a jury when the constitution was adopted. IN RE ELLERN, 23 Wn.2d 219, 160 P.2d 639 (1945).

In Re Marriage of Firchau, 88 Wn.2d 109, 558 P.2d 194 (1977) held that a court had the authority in a family law case to deny a demand for a jury trial.

Green v. Hooper, 149 Wn. App. 627 (2009) said the courts can deny motions for jury trials in cases of equity (not law).

The court in Johnson v. Perry, 20 Wn. App. 696, 582 P.2d 886 (1978) ( said the following:
" The case SCAVENIUS v. MANCHESTER PORT DIST., 2 Wn. App. 126, 129-30, 467 P.2d 372 (1970), interpretsCR 38 and 39 to vest discretion in the trial court in deciding whether a jury trial should be granted.
" We hold that the only effect of the adoption of CR 38 and 39 is to vest in the trial court wide discretion in cases involving both legal and equitable issues, to allow a jury on some, none, or all issues presented.

Subsection (c) of CR 39 allows an advisory jury on equitable issues in the discretion of the trial court.
Such discretion should be exercised with reference to many factors including, but not necessarily limited to the following: (1) who seeks the equitable relief; (2) is the person seeking the equitable relief also demanding trial of the issues to the jury; (3) are the main issues primarily legal or equitable in their nature; (4) do the equitable issues present complexities in the trial which will affect the orderly determination of such issues by a jury; (5) are the equitable and legal issues easily separable; (6) in the exercise of such discretion, great weight should be given to the constitutional right of trial by jury and if the nature of the action is doubtful, a jury trial should be allowed; (7) the trial court should go beyond the pleadings to ascertain the real issues in dispute before making the determination as to whether or not a jury trial should be granted on all or part of such issues."

RCW 2.08.010 grants jurisdiction to the Superior Court.

RCW 4.40.060 Trial of certain issues of fact--Jury. An issue of fact, in an action for the recovery of money only, or of specific real or personal property shall be tried by a jury, unless a jury is waived, as provided by law, or a reference ordered, as provided by statute relating to referees. [1893 c 127 § 33; Code 1881 § 204; 1877 p 42 § 208; 1873 p 52 § 206; 1869 p 50 § 208; 1854 p 164 § 183; RRS § 314.]

RCW 4.40.070 Trial of other issues of fact. Every other issue of fact shall be tried by the court, subject, however, to the right of the parties to consent, or of the court to order, that the whole issue, or any specific question of fact involved therein, be tried by a jury, or referred. [1893 c 127 § 34; RRS § 315.]

So, technically, you can demand a jury trial, or make a motion for a jury trial, but a judge would almost certainly deny your motion because that's the way they do things.

[In accordance with the Avvo community guidelines, this communication does not constitute "legal advice", nor does it form an attorney-client relationship.]

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The reason they deny jury trials is (opinion) because when a jury finds the State in the wrong and finds against the States actions the judge would have to decide against the Jury if the Judge sees it that way. Like I said before. Judges are another prosecutor sitting there in a black gown.



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Fantastic answer.. I love it when attorneys respond with caselaw &/or court rules/complied laws to reinforce what they are saying... it makes the 'where's waldo' search for the information so much Simpler!!!


By statute the procedure in Washington for termination of parental rights is goverened by RCW 13.34.190. I have included the link for you to read it on line. It references the 'fact finding' hearing that takes place before the judge. It is the judge who then enters findings of fact and the ensuing order. I suggest you also look at RCW 13.34.110 and RCW 13.34.130.

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This is not a good answer. Court rules dictate what the judges do and it not up to their opinion as to what will be done in court. They can work around facts and rules of the court as well as constitutional ones. Your link send us to a bunch of jibberish. I suggest you take a good look at the laws and constitutional provisions our for fathers gave to us and stop siding up with the government. The constitution clearly states if the government goes against the public the public has an equal opportunity to defend itself under the sixthe amendment. So, I dont know where you get the idea of our rights being dictated by a judge who is already a bias party and cannot give a fair trial due to political reputation as well as the state has their way to smash a Judge by going to the media and having the media post the States complaint. No, A judge is suppose to be like an umpire and make a call on facts and work with the law to protect the public from the abuse of the government as they always seem to show the public. Parental rights are not governed by anything. The law in which you point at clearly states if a person does something wrong under the RCW in which you mentioned .... can cause the parental rights to be terminated if found guilty. You have gone to college for what you are suppose to be your profession, but you have to understand......if OJ Simpson gets off a murder beef and you cannot support and show where there is clear and in black and white wording where it says there is NO Jury trial for under RCW what ever or Court Rule what ever.....then I suggest you go back to school or get to studying something before you come out here and start poking RCW numbers out here like some dummy telling a dummy to look under the blanket for the dirt pile and Im sure you can find it. Thanks for your input but as I stated up above.....please do not send me to a site to read the jibberish. An I like to spell gibberish with a J.



I find it very difficult to take any attorney seriously that can not spell or use grammar correctly.

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